It is certainly true that reservation for O.B.Cs. will cause a lot of heart-burning to others. But should the mere fact of this heart burning be allowed to operate as a moral veto against social reform. A lot of heart burning was caused to the British when they left India . It burns the hearts of all whites when the black protest against apartheid in South Africa . When the higher castes constituting less than 20 per cent of the country’s population subjected the rest to all manner of social injustice, it must have caused a lot of heart burning to the lower castes. But now that the lower castes are asking for a modest share of the national cake of power and prestige, a chorus of alarm is being raised on the plea that this will cause heart burning to the ruling elite. Of all the spacious arguments advanced against reservation for backward classes, there is none which beats this one about ‘heart burning’ in sheer sophistry.

from -
Report of the Backward Classes Commission, 1980 (Mandal Commission), First Part, Chapter XIII, pages 57 & 58. Government of India 1980.

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1. You admit that Individual rights are foremost importance as why you being punished for all ill-doings of castesim

Again, your conclusion is an assumption. I’m saying that the reservations are an attack on my individual rights. The reason for reservations is not social but political.

2. In that same line, why not think that how many SC/ST/OBC individuals were punished for centuries with social abuses. And please keep in mind that you are part and parcel of a system where individual rights are also taken into account. If individual benefits are more weighted against the majority , it sounds to me �Selfish�.

Again - I am not individually responsible for social abuse over centuries. There’s no reason why I should be punished for crimes I haven’t committed. About ‘Selfish’ - if someone goes against the mob, you’ll consider it selfish. I prefer to use the words “not-selfless”. There’s a difference between the two. You also aren’t being not selfless, so I don’t see why I should be any different, or even why you should benefit at my cost. Call is survival instinct, or what you will. You’re also wrong when you talk about democracy - democracy is the rule of the mob, and individual rights are of least importance in this system, and collective right and might is given precedence.

3. If you did not have the prejudices then you be proud of it but the system had it and it needs to correct itself coming to an equilibrium position( simple science!!!)

If prejudice begets prejudice, then the system doesn’t move to an equillibrium. You add a negative to a negative, and the value of that negative increases. Get your math right. All prejudice is negative.

4. Well said, then you should disagree with Bhagavad-Gita and other Vedas for giving injustice to under privileged sections of the society as these books portrayed and supported abuses. Can you do that? If not why?

If they do encourage prejudice, then I disagree with them. Frankly, religious texts are of no importance to me and I don’t really give a damn about them.

5. Reservation is a finite process and it needs to end as soon as the justice is delivered. How can we get rid of centuries old injustice in few years?

I’ve already answered this question - if your sense of justice is by means of injustice to another, then there’s no end to this. You’re increasing and strengthening social divisions. Equal opportunity can only be attained by creating quality infrastructure that is accessible to all, and the politics of compensation across levels only increases the deprivation and adversely effects growth in the name of development. I say this from a macro-economic perspective, because a decrease in overall productivity (with compensation across levels) and the impending loss of quality human capital will lead to increased inflation since defecit financing will not reduce. The increase in consumption demand will be offset by increase in interest rates.

6. If your brother gets hospitalized and he was given a care , Will you be jealous and abuse him because he is given care by the doctors?

Y’know, there was another gentleman called Harish who was posting comments in favour of increased reservations. I don’t know if this is a common tendancy, but like you, he also leant false analogies and ‘emotional reasons’ to support his claims. I’m not sure if you’re aware of the concept of unbalanced growth being more effective than balanced growth, and the state using taxation for generating income through taxation for infrastructural development. The money meant for setting up schools and colleges is being pilfered across levels, and you’re demanding “social justice”. All the best with that - it may help you in the short run, but the macro implications look disastrous.

- You admit that Individual rights are foremost importance as why you being punished for all ill-doings of castesim
- In that same line, why not think that how many SC/ST/OBC individuals were punished for centuries with social abuses. And please keep in mind that you are part and parcel of a system where individual rights are also taken into account. If individual benefits are more weighted against the majority , it sounds to me �Selfish�.
- You are ignorant of caste divides: Well you were born in a group which has had only benefits due to casteism where as I was born in a caste with only abuses were thrown since from childhood by the caste-hindus. So the one who was ill-treated have the pain and obliviously you could not feel that for having comfortably-diametrically placed in the social circle.
- If you did not have the prejudices then you be proud of it but the system had it and it needs to correct itself coming to an equilibrium position( simple science!!!)
- Justice to one need not be by means of injustice to another: Well said, then you should disagree with Bhagavad-Gita and other Vedas for giving injustice to under privileged sections of the society as these books portrayed and supported abuses. Can you do that? If not why?
- Reservation is a finite process and it needs to end as soon as the justice is delivered. How can we get rid of centuries old injustice in few years?
- Hypocrite(lol) : If your brother gets hospitalized and he was given a care , Will you be jealous and abuse him because he is given care by the doctors?. That is the situation that you are in. Then I will leave it to your conscience that who is an hypocrite.
Note: I start liking your style of expression although differ in the content

I don’t support the social injustice over centuries since it is against my personal beliefs of equality.

Your assumptions, that I referred to, were related to prejudices that I do not have. If I’m ignorant about caste divides, then I believe it is for the better. The more I learn about castes and religions, the more the tendancy to classify people along these man made divisions that I do not support. Hence, I shall not be educating myself on something that is likely to give me a basis for prejudice.

Justice to one need not be by means of injustice to another.

While I am able to see things from your perspective, I believe that reservations are a never ending process, and hence not a credible solution. One solution, and the only solution, lies in efficient and increased expenditure on education. The taxpayers money is being pilfered across levels, and the rotting corpse that is the bureaucracy is more keen on keeping controls over education, than actual development. It is the government’s failure in providing education that leads to employability that has led to the development of private schools and colleges, and even for post-graduation to have become the minimum qualification in the country for most jobs. Reservation is a policy of compensation for this failure, across levels.

Given the growth rate, reservations will be permanent, and with time will have to be increased. Now it’s 50%. In another ten years, it will be 60%. And at the same time, there will be a miniscule growth of infrastructure.

The government is focusing on splitting the pie, not growing it.

I’d also like to add that for all your anti-casteism and fight for justice, you’re the one who has a prejudiced eye. If that isn’t hypocritical, then what is?